On Aug 28, 6:57=A0am, Mort Zuckerman <morph...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Aug 28, 4:41=A0am, Greegor <Greego...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Aug 27, 11:16=A0am, "Dragon's Girl" <bettywir...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Aug 27, 8:27=A0am, joe <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:02:38 -0400, Firemonkey
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> > > > > On Aug 27, 7:57=A0am, joe <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >> Don, you're pathetic.
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> > > > >> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
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> > > > > You losers =A0accuse anyone you not familier with of being Kane,
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> > > > > joe, were just accusing me a few days ago.
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> > > > Don/Kane/d'geezer is a narcissistic weasel who made his living
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> > > > *abused* children. He didn't like the idea that parents abused by
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PS had =A0
> > > > a sup****t group where they could go for help, so Don decided to
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> > > > posters whom he deemed were expressing *dangerous* opinions.
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> > > I'd be curious to know how it is that he managed to 'silence' people
> > > on a public usenet group.
> > > I'd also be curious to know if you have *PROOF* of whatever lame
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> > > you'll contrive.
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> > > > He proceded to turn ASCPS into a cesspool of venomous attacks,
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e =A0
> > > > accusations, lies, ridicule, libel, and threats against anyone
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> > > > opinion he considered *dangerous*. =A0Then, when his identity as a
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CPS =A0
> > > > contractor from Oregon was discovered, and his *activities* with
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> > > > community's most vulnerable children was revealed, he stopped
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ng his =A0
> > > > venomous attacks and disappeared.
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> > > That's funny. =A0I never saw any *PROOF* that Greg's theory of Kane,
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the
> > > poster, being Don Fisher.
> > > Greg was making the accusation LONG before Kane stopped posting
here.
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> > > > It is of great concern to any and all ASCPS members should Don
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rn. =A0He =A0
> > > > is perhaps the most disgusting CPS s***bag to ever post to Usenet
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nd his =A0
> > > > presence on ASCPS would be a blow to any and all parents who come
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or help =A0
> > > > =A0from CPS abuse.
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> > > Can you give us some verifiable *PROOF* of your accusations?
> > > Nah? =A0I didn't think so.
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> > Betty, Don's own old posts gave him away completely.
> > He was not a contractor. =A0His old state ID and
> > his own commentary says that he was an Oregon
> > state employee (direct hire) and he said he
> > was a "child welfare worker".
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> > Your pack of system suckss tried to claim that
> > a state job title of "child welfare worker"
> > is NOT the same job as Child Protection caseworker.
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> > The ruse failed.
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> > State job titles are actually rather
> > well defined. =A0He was what is commonly known
> > as a Child Protection caseworker.
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> You shall know them by their
fruits:http://www.actionlyme.org/DCF_GRADUAT=
ARDS_SPEAK.htm
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> courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-
> girlshurt.artaug21,0,4286764.story
> Courant.com
> A Pipeline To Prison?
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> August 21, 2008
> Click here to find out more!
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> Adult prison is not appropriate for abused and neglected children
> under any cir***stances. Yet the state continues to house troubled
> girls in an adult correctional center when they are awaiting
> sentencing for nonviolent crimes or because they have run away from
> treatment programs or schools.
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> This is a formula for failure, tantamount to setting them adrift in
> the ocean. What chance to they have to recover from traumatic
> cir***stances in that environment?
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> Nationally, youths housed in adult jails and prisons are eight times
> more likely to commit suicide, five times more likely to be ***ually
> assaulted, three times more likely to be beaten and 50 percent more
> likely to be assaulted with a weapon than youths housed in juvenile
> facilities. They are also more likely to re-offend.
>
> A re****t issued by the Office of the Child Advocate last week
> do***ents the state's failure to do right by girls despite millions of
> dollars spent and scores of promises made.
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> The re****t comes down appropriately hard on the state Department of
> Children and Families. The welfare of many of the girls incarcerated
> at York Correctional Institution in Niantic has been the agency's
> responsibility.
>
> Child Advocate Jeanne Milstein, whose office tracked the heartbreaking
> history of some of the imprisoned teens through DCF records, said they
> had typically been known to DCF as early as age 4 or 5. Some had been
> physically and even ***ually abused.
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> Many op****tunities for early intervention had been missed. Without
> appropriate treatment and follow-through, they had no chance to heal.
>
> DCF defends its progress, noting that several programs and facilities
> for troubled girls are planned or in the works. But the fact is that
> growing numbers are ending up at York.
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> As of July 31, there were 37 girls at the prison, ranging in ages from
> 15 to 17. In June and July, York recorded its highest census of girls
> in years.
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> You don't have to be a parent to relate to the insanity of sending a
> 15-year-old to prison, no matter how incorrigible her behavior.
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> This policy is just plain unacceptable. The state admits it has failed
> to provide adequate programs for at-risk female offenders since Long
> Lane School was closed seven years ago.
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> A locked facility for girls is being built in Bridge****t. But the
> focus should be, as Ms. Milstein asserts, on preventing these children
> from entering the pipeline to prison in the first place.
>
> Her re****t offers some concrete steps for reform. They should be
> explored in the coming legislative hearings on the effectiveness of
> DCF and viewed as a constructive blueprint for substantive =97 even
> lifesaving =97 change.
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Kathleen: Don't forget that the Child Protection INDUSTRY
uses it's own failures to lobby for more money, over and over.
Be warned that even some of those law suits that look like
they're beating up on the Child Protection INDUSTRY
actually benefit that very same industry by loudly
pointing out shortfalls, failings, etc. and the
solution to every problem is represented as throwing
more money at it.
By the way, that's very much a liberal left wing
sort of agenda. While the conservatives you
hate so much have tolerated CPS or failed to
put it in check, at least conservatives are
ideologically supposed to be against the
socialist workfare that is CPS. They fail to put
it in check, but at least idealogically
they should.
The political LEFT, however, is all in favor of
larger government, and it's ideology places
it in strong SUP****T of what the Child Protection
INDUSTRY does. They are staunchly sup****ted by
the UNIONS that the caseworkers belong to, for
example.
Right Wing caseworkers are extremely rare and
would be seen by most other caseworkers
as wolves in the chicken house, so the few
right wing caseworkers are generally not
openly or publicly so.
In your political partisan moments have
you ever noticed that none of the Democrat
politicians you have contacted have done
squat for you?
Democrats talk a lot about upholding the
US Constitution, but the Constitution is
and has been a right wing ideal for ages.
""Constitutionalists"" who are written off
as kooks tend to be right wingers.
The subject title you posted under here
is about a Donald L. Fisher who is a
former Oregon Child Protection caseworker.
He posted for YEARS swearing that he was
not, but his really OLD posts gave it
away. He was a state "Child Welfare worker"
which is what is commonly referred to as
a Child Protection caseworker.
(They feel the term "caseworker" is demeaning.)
Don's a strange duck, but what did you think
the odds were of him being a Republican
or a Libertarian? Did you think he placed
a lot of stock in upholding the US Constitution?
He actively worked to CIR***VENT the protections
guaranteed in the US Constitution, as all
caseworkers do. He was undoubtedly a UNION man,
and by default a Left Wing DEMOCRAT.
If you think any Democrat is going to
downsize Child Protection agencies
I think you're kidding yourself!
Don't get me wrong, the Republicans
have failed to downsize CPS also, but
at least idealogically it should
be ON THEIR AGENDA along with downsizing
government in general.
You've got a choice between DEMOCRATS
who NO WAY in HELL will restrict or downsize
the Child Protection monster, and Republicans
who have failed so far to live up to
their stated agenda of smaller government.
How would you explain your political
choice in relation to Child protection, Kathleen?
Greg S. Hanson, Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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