Re: Request for Thufir, Peter, Geoff M. Fitton, Tattoo Vampire, High Plains Thumper, and Rick

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:trollkiller-606A90.14034704082008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In article <C4BC9BF4.CDA0F%usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> Snit <usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> "Hadron" <hadronquark@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> stated in post
>> g77bhi$dgj$3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on 8/4/08 9:42 AM:
>>
>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-08-04, Steve Carroll <trollkiller@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> In article <C4BC15D8.CD85D%usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>>>  Snit <usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (snip Snit's crap)
>>>>>
>>>>> A poster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You told us that OSX helps them in figuring out how to work
>>>>>>> with files And
>>>>>>> later they can more easily taught the "more advanced" stuff like
>>>>>>> "folders"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.  I never said that.  If you think differently then quote
>>>>>> where I said
>>>>>> such about my students.
>>>>>>
>>>>> "The fact is that there are people - a lot of people - who
>>>>> struggle with the
>>>>> abstract concept of files and folders presented with computers.
>>>>> People often, for example, "see" their files as being "in" their
>>>>> programs. Apple
>>>>> has built a successful paradigm ****ft with much of their
>>>>> software: they let
>>>>> the user work with their files and organize it from within the
>>>>> software - thus letting users
>>>>>
>>>> The "shell" (whatever it is) is just another "program". Treating
>>>> it as distinct from "programs" that do more interesting things is
>>>> very much artificial and ultimately deprives users of flexibility
>>>> (or notion of it).
>>>>
>>>> You're basically describing a well enforced monopoly on
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> A sort of "one true interface".
>>>>
>>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>> It works from the point of view of an appliance but doesn't really
>>>> empower the users so much anymore. OTOH, there are certainly
>>>> plenty of users that really should be using a sort of "computing
>>>> appliance".
>>>>
>>> Could someone please translate the nonsense above into English. I
>>> think Jeb has forgotten to take his meds again.
>>>
>> Has nothing to do with my comments... and my comments were not in
>> regards to my students in any specific way - they were in regards to
>> people in general.
>
> Sure... your students aren't "people in general" <eyeroll>. Like I
> said, your goldfish and your cat aren't "students" in any real sense
> of the word.

If Snit tried to teach a goldfish to swim it would drown.

>> For Peter Köhlmann to claim I said that about my students and not
>> people in general is a lie.
>
> To pretend your students are different from "people in general" is a
> "lie" ... which is why you are seen doing it.

His students do not exist.