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Other than terrestrial water and tidal flex heating

by BradGuth <bradguth@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 17, 2008 at 10:52 PM

This topic is entirely Selene/moon related, such as the supposed
volcanic or lava fused as little and apparently not so little basalt
and silica combined spheres (=93green glass spherules=94) that researchers
claim to be of their NASA/Apollo moon rock samples, that which
supposedly their spendy (public owned) mass spectrometers as having
only recently detected as containing 260,000 ppb of good old h2o.
(that's not necessarily per given mass of common moon bedrock, but of
the given mass of each little ****tion of rock containing such lava
formulated geodes as solid glass spheres that could have been
contributed and/or contaminated by most any icy meteor encounter)

Water Discovered in Moon Rock Samples / By Jeremy Hsu of Space.com
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380148,00.html#

http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19926644.200-now-the-moon-reveals-i=
ts-water.html?DCMP=3DILC-hmts&nsref=3Dnews3_head_mg19926644.200
 =93=93They concluded the moon's mantle has between 260 and 700 ppm of
water. "This is very surprising, because for 40 years people have
studied lunar rocks and no one found any water," says Saal. "We got
lucky."=94

I can accept this mainstream deductive interpretation, because
sufficient geode sequestered remains of moon water shouldn't be all
that unlikely, especially if our Selene/moon had come to us as an icy
proto-moon from the Sirius star/solar system that had lost 4+ solar
mass from its recent red giant phase, or perhaps even from our own icy
Oort cloud (similar to Sedna and our binary Plutos).

-

In addition to however potentially wet or brine worthy the interior of
our Selene/moon could very well be, it=92s also the most likely and the
primary factor of global warming Earth, but only as of the last ice-
age this planet w/moon is ever going to see.

What is the Selene/moon tidal flex heating of Earth? (117.68e3 tw.h)

If the likes of Io and most other moons of Jupiter and Saturn are
mainstream science accepted as getting tidal flex heated in addition
to whatever=92s the atomic/thorium core reactions taking place, whereas
then it stands to good enough peer replicated reasoning that our
elliptical orbiting Selene/moon with its ongoing average * 2e20 N/sec
(2.04e19 kgf/sec) * of orbital tidal force is unavoidably receiving
from as well as contributing to the internal and surface heating of
our extremely fluid Earth.

Upon this terrestrial Earth, at the surface we seem have these fully
mainstream accepted sorts of basic force to energy conversions to work
with.

1 kgf.m.s =3D 9.80665 Joules
1 kgf.m.s =3D 9.295e-8 therm
1 kgf.m.s =3D .00980665 kj
1 kgf.m.s =3D 2.72407e-6 kw.h
1 kgf.m.h =3D 9.80655e-3 kw.h

Of the 2e20 N divided equally between the Earth and our Selene/moon,
if we took 50% of this hourly tidal force as converted into geothermal
energy of kw.h, we=92d get  2.04e19 / 2 * 9.80655e-3 =3D 11.768e16 kw.h
(117.68e15 kw.h or 117.68e6 tw.h).

How about our taking just a highly conservative 0.1% of that, which
gets us all the way down to the dull tidal flexing roar of just
117.68e3 terawatt hours worth of continuous geothermal heating via
tidal flex.  Surely our absolutely impressive Selene/moon with its
fairly robust ratio to Earth is worth at least 0.05% of the 2e20 N/
sec, of which offers * 117.68e3 tw.h  * in tidal flex heating (aka
global warming and perhaps loads of geophysical flex morphing) seems
likely, as after all, that=92s 230 w/m2 (excluding vertical terrain
factors) but otherwise it=92s not very much applied energy per cubic
meter of Earth=92s volume (1.084e21 m3 [excluding our wet atmosphere])
is worth merely 108.56e-6 w/m3.

To be including the volume of our wet and otherwise polluted
atmosphere that=92s also getting tidal flex heated, we get down to
roughly 100 micro watt/m3.  This isn=92t to say that humanity hasn=92t
gone out of its way in order to having measurably contributed to our
global warming.

I know this seems like a lot of ongoing energy, but then I can't say
with any certainty if it's equally divided between our Selene/moon and
Earth or somehow getting nullified.  Perhaps nearly 100% of that tidal
flex is actually going directly into Earth, minus whatever is taken up
by our sun.  The older than Earth Selene/moon itself seems rather
thick crusted and by thus kind of tidal morph/flex inert, so that
perhaps not much of this mutual tidal radius force is likely morphing
or flexing all that much of Selene's innards, and especially so
because there's no Selene spin in relation****p to Earth for whatever
tidal flex to interact with, though just having a little elliptical
orbit consideration might be enough to keep Selene=92s low density
interior from ever turning solid.

If you perceive or explicitly insist that I=92ve incorrectly calculated
any this, as having over/under shot the mark, then simply give this
your best swag and offer your improved or more correct rendition of
this unavoidable geothermal heating via tidal flexing.

-	Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
 




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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-17 22:52:57 
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"Hagar" <hag  2008-07-18 10:39:04 
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"Landy" <noo  2008-07-19 08:10:40 
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Alain Fournier <alain2  2008-07-18 19:31:24 
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"Landy" <noo  2008-07-19 10:43:39 
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Alain Fournier <alain2  2008-07-18 23:17:48 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-18 17:56:09 
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Alain Fournier <alain2  2008-07-18 23:31:11 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-18 17:54:34 
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Odysseus <odysseus1479  2008-07-19 01:31:42 
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"Landy" <noo  2008-07-19 12:50:15 
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oldcoot <oldcoot7074@[  2008-07-18 15:36:48 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-18 17:49:06 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-18 17:54:46 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-18 18:52:53 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-18 18:57:31 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-18 19:05:39 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-18 20:14:19 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-18 20:27:13 
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Stuart <bigdakine@[EMA  2008-07-19 04:57:38 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 07:41:36 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-19 11:00:12 
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Stuart <bigdakine@[EMA  2008-07-19 08:39:28 
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Stuart <bigdakine@[EMA  2008-07-19 08:47:09 
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Stuart <bigdakine@[EMA  2008-07-19 08:48:22 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 09:12:42 
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Stuart <bigdakine@[EMA  2008-07-19 09:27:11 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 12:05:33 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-19 12:43:26 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 12:18:34 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-19 12:46:07 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 13:39:49 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-19 17:09:06 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 14:07:39 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-19 17:14:45 
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don findlay <don@[EMAI  2008-07-19 19:10:46 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 20:42:35 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-19 20:44:23 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-19 22:20:31 
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don findlay <don@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:44:58 
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don findlay <don@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:45:22 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-20 09:26:26 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-20 14:33:15 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-20 09:38:18 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-20 16:01:55 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-20 17:11:42 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-20 18:13:39 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-20 19:23:00 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-20 20:40:39 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-22 10:05:36 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-22 18:44:58 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-22 19:23:50 
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"Sunny" <wom  2008-07-23 06:16:00 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-23 09:12:57 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-23 00:00:37 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-23 09:17:13 
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"Sunny" <wom  2008-07-23 23:22:59 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 04:55:29 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 11:32:58 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 05:03:07 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 11:28:36 
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don findlay <don@[EMAI  2008-07-24 09:12:03 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 10:16:49 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 11:39:56 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 16:04:33 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 12:22:44 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 16:02:25 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 12:30:19 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 16:03:04 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 19:17:21 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 21:43:26 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 19:28:09 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 21:27:40 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-24 19:29:17 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-24 21:26:04 
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don findlay <don@[EMAI  2008-07-25 07:01:50 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-25 07:22:15 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-25 08:50:58 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-25 12:43:57 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-25 09:36:09 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-25 12:42:56 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-26 12:44:38 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-26 12:52:13 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-26 20:00:49 
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don findlay <don@[EMAI  2008-07-26 16:49:26 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-26 17:01:53 
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don findlay <don@[EMAI  2008-07-26 17:48:38 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-26 22:18:24 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-27 00:56:09 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-27 08:27:03 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-27 13:21:14 
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Odysseus <odysseus1479  2008-07-28 01:15:01 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-27 19:56:32 
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"Warren G. Harding&q  2008-07-27 21:22:36 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-27 21:21:40 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-27 15:24:30 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-27 15:34:54 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-27 16:01:08 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-27 21:25:07 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-27 22:39:28 
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"Warren G. Harding&q  2008-07-28 16:57:46 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-27 21:38:20 
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Timberwoof <timberwoof  2008-07-27 22:37:52 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 07:08:35 
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"Warren G. Harding&q  2008-07-28 17:03:37 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 07:20:39 
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"Warren G. Harding&q  2008-07-28 17:01:03 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 16:20:27 
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"Warren G. Harding&q  2008-07-28 19:16:03 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 16:23:36 
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"Warren G. Harding&q  2008-07-28 19:19:58 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 16:27:02 
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"Warren G. Harding&q  2008-07-28 19:21:49 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 18:32:43 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 19:33:02 
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BradGuth <bradguth@[EM  2008-07-28 19:40:27 

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