see below
Todd Gastaldo wrote:
> MD-obstetricians are KNOWINGLY closing birth canals up to 30%. See my
two
> simple PROOFS below.
>
> PREGNANT WOMEN: MEDICAL BIRTH BAD FOR VAGINAS... See below...
>
> It's easy to allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%. More
> below...
>
> JOURNALISTS (esp. Raney Aronson WGBH Boston) How *about* a FRONTLINE
FIX
> for babies!
>
> ABC, NBC and CBS addressees! How about ABC, NBC and CBS baby fixes too!
To
> save time scroll to the very end of this post...
>
> John Zubkowski (Canadian Insurance Crime Prevention Bureau), my last
email
> to you. Please help cut MD-obstetrician malpractice liability insurance
> premiums - I'm assuming this is "general" insurance. See the quotes
from
> the IBC document below.
>
> Marcy Ascencio/Cleveland Chiro College recruiter, my last email to you
> too... MDs are harming babies en masse and one Cleveland recruit - Bob
> Dubin, DC - is actively censoring. See below...
>
> CCAIF Secretariat CAROL GRAVELLE cgravelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some
babies
> are DYING (an estimated six per DAY) as MDs commit insurance fraud -
> senselessly closing birth canals - then GRUESOMELY manipulating most
babies'
> spines at birth..
>
> Carol, PLEASE help get this anti-fraud message ou via your CHALLENGES
AND
> CHAMPIONS newsletter, as in,
>
> "CHALLENGES AND CHAMPIONS, the CCAIF joint newsletter with Insurance
Bureau
> of Canada's Investigative Services Division, is considered one of the
most
> effective tools for getting the anti-fraud messages out."
> http://www.ibc.ca/ccaif_about.asp
>
> PREGNANT WOMEN: Please join me in asking Frontline/WGBH to help stop
MDs
> from closing birth canals.
>
> LADIES: Again, it's easy to allow your birth canal to OPEN an "extra"
up to
> 30%. See below.
>
> VAGINAS: Allowing your birth canal to open maximally helps protect your
> vagina AND your baby's brain - details below.
>
> CCAIF has a CHIRO advisor - the Canadian Chiropractic Association/CCA
> http://www.ibc.ca/ccaif_about.asp
>
> (NOTE: Foot-dragging CCA Governor PAUL CAREY, DC is also president of
the
> World Federation of Chiropractic. Copied to Paul via
gsloane-seale@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>
> IMAGINE THAT!! CANADA'S CHIROPRACTORS are CCAIF advisors (!) and CCA
> (chiro!) leaders are ignoring the massive (sometimes fatal) MD spinal
> manipulation insurance fraud!
>
> Did I say this insurance fraud is SOMETIMES FATAL?!
>
> ALERT! /////OFFBEAT ODDBALL INSURANCE FRAUD///// ALERT (!)
>
> "The CCAIF['s CAROL GRAVELLE] collects the most offbeat and oddball
> insurance frauds on an annual basis. If you would like to submit one,
please
> contact Carol Gravelle at cgravelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
> http://www.ibc.ca/ccaif_top10.asp
>
> Carol - I'm submitting a doozy: MDs and DCs are committing "offbeat and
> oddball insurance fraud" - via silence - mothers and babies be damned...
>
> OPEN LETTER (to be instantly archived for global access at:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2244)
>
> Raney Aronson
> Producer, Writer and Director
> ALTERNATIVE FIX (Frontline/WGBH, PBS, Thursday, November 6, at 9pm)...
> raney_aronson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Also via erin_martin_kane@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and chris_kelly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Raney,
>
> I'm looking forward to your ALTERNATIVE FIX Frontline special tonite.
>
> I suspect your Frontline special neglected to mention the most prolific
> "alternative" providers of spinal manipulation - MD-obstetricians.
>
> A huge CRIME is being committed: MD-obstetricians are *knowingly*
closing
> birth canals - up to 30%
>
> See below my two simple PROOFS that MD-obstetricians are knowingly
closing
> birth canals up to 30%.
>
> As noted below, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs...
>
> CHIROPRACTIC BIRTH EMERGENCY...
>
> In addition to senselessly closing birth canals, MDs are gruesomely
> manipulating spines - pu****ng and pulling on the *tiniest*
> spines - with birth canals senselessly closed up to 30%.
>
> Some babies are dying... OBs are killing an estimated six babies per DAY
> with vacuum-assisted spinal
> manipulation alone - with birth canals senselessly closed up to 30%...
>
> See USUAL MECHANISM (PS5) in my article, "Pregnant chiro patients:
BIZARRE
> chiro legislation - babies be damned..."
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2135
>
> MD-obstetricians CAUSE cephalopelvic dispro****tion (and failure to
> progress) - then perform c-sections BEcause of cephalopelvic
dispro****tion
> (and failure to progress)!
>
> Epidural pain relief is a godsend for some women - but why close birth
> canals and make women beg for it?
>
> MORE MD crime against mothers...
>
> MDs are performing "generous" episiotomies when they use their vacuum
> extractors and forceps...
>
> MDs are performinig episiotomies - "generous" or otherwise - in MOST
> births!
>
> Stated more usefully, in most births MDs are routinely SLA****NG VAGINAS
-
> surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring they are doing everything possible to
OPEN
> birth canals - even as they CLOSE birth canals - up to 30%!
>
> Why close birth canals and chemically whip the uterus to contract
VIOLENTLY?
>
> See OXYTOCIN SCREAMING...
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2242
>
> "Off label" CYTOTEC SCREAMING...
>
> Cytotec also makes the uterus contract violently...
>
> Cytotec is being used "off label" - never having been tested for use
during
> labor...
>
> Not long ago, Cytotec manufacturer Searle wrote a letter to OBs
> "repudiating" the use of Cytotec.
>
> FDA *banned* Cytotec use in birth...
>
> OBs complained and "pressured" FDA to rescind the ban because
> Cytotec (Misoprostol) "was in such common use."
>
> The words in quotes are from Henci Goer's EXCELLENT article, "'Spin
> Doctoring'
> the Research." [Birth. (Jun)2003;30(2):124-29]
>
> See OBs causing 'short violent labors'/Semisitting birth is NOT
> physiological! (Attn: ICEA/Nurse Coleman)
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2008
>
> MEDICAL BIRTH BAD FOR VAGINAS...
>
> MD-obstetricians are SLA****NG VAGINAS en masse ("routine episiotomy") -
> surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring they are doing everything possible to
OPEN
> the birth canal - even as they CLOSE the birth canal!
>
> Michael C. Klein, MD writes: "[E]pisiotomy is a deliberate second degree
> tear." [Birth. Letter.
> 2002;29(1):74]
>
> MDs still claim (fraudulently) that their episiotomies are *preventing*
> severe tears clear to the anus when in fact MDs are CAUSING severe tears
> clear to the anus!
>
> In 1990 the National Institutes of Health researched the issue and found
> that deliberate tears by
> MDs (episiotomies) cause fifty times MORE severe tears (tears clear to
the
> anus) relative to leaving the vagina alone.[****ono et al. Obstet Gynecol
> 1990;75(5):765-70. In Klein et al. Online J Curr Clin Trials
> (Jul1)1992, Doc. No. 10]
>
> "The most common diagnosis for hospitalization among all women is trauma
to
> perineum due to childbirth."
> http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup/factbk3/factbk3.htm
>
> MDs are deliberately/senselessly traumatizing perinea - and
> calling it "childbirth." (!)
>
> I say again: MD-obstetricians are SLA****NG VAGINAS en masse ("routine
> episiotomy") - surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring they are doing
everything
> possible to OPEN the birth canal - even as they CLOSE the birth canal!
>
> This is not childbirth! This is MEDICAL birth - it's the largest
insurance
> fraud!
>
> Why are INSURANCE companies letting MDs close birth canals?!
>
> I've asked insurance fraud professionals about this...
>
> The director of fraud ops at The Hartford "responded"...in effect
telling me
> not to tell him about such things...
>
> See Vagina-related insurance fraud (Dan Fitz. at The Hartford, you're
> removed)
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2228
>
> CANADA'S John Zubkowski wrote:
>
> "TODD GASTALDO: I DO NOT WISH TO RECEIVE ANY FURTHER MESSAGES FROM YOU.
> THANK YOU."
>
> John ostensibly works for Canada's Insurance Crime Prevention Bureau.
(see
> http://www.iasiu.com/chapter/index.cfm)
>
> Why is HE (an insurance crime prevention guy!) ignoring MDs senselessly
> closing birth canals?
>
> Should general insurance folks (property and casualty, or "P&C"
insurers) be
> interested?
>
> YES! The general insurance industry is a HUGE employer - a "major
funder of
> healthcare" (see IBC quote below).
>
> MANY general insurance employees are having their birth canals
senselessly
> closed by MDs.
>
> THINK ABOUT IT The grisly spectacle of MDs closing birth canals not
only
> hurts general insurance employees and their babies - it drives up the
cost
> of HEALTH insurance for general insurance companies and their employees!
>
> ALSO...
>
> Since general insurance (property and casualty, or "P&C"
insurance)...covers
> our possessions and our liability (responsibility) to others for our
> mistakes (general insurance includes the people and resources involved
in
> providing all types of insurance OTHER than life and health
insurance)...
> http://www.fraudcoalition.org/gii.asp
>
> General insurance MAY include malpractice liability insurance for
> MD-obstetricians...
>
> MD-obstetricians are getting sued right and left for their mistakes!
> MD-obstetricians themselves are moaning loudly about the rising cost of
> LIABILITY insurance for MD-obstetricians!
>
> FORTUNATELY, 220 general/property and casualty insurers in Canada (IBC
> members) say something should be done - esp. in regard to PREVENTION -
and
> (get this) "REGARDLESS OF WHO IS PROVIDING PAYMENT," as in,
> "Launch a permanent national effort on injury prevention (p. 3)...[KEY
> STRATEGY:] Improving the flow of information to the public about health
> system performance and costs...There is...sound evidence of the need for
the
> major funders of health care to work together to develop specific
mechanisms
> to strengthen individual accountability for the proper use of health
system
> resources, regardless of who is providing payment. (p. 9)"
> --RESTORING CONFIDENCE (The Insurance Bureau of Canada/IBC)^^^
>
> IBC is a "major funder of healthcare." (!)
>
> ^^^RESTORING CONFIDENCE is IBC's - the Insurance Bureau of Canada's -
Sept.
> 2001 submission to the The Commission on the Future of Health Care in
Canada
> and The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and
Technology
>
http://www.ibc.ca/pdffiles/publications/submissions/restoring_confidence-sept2001.pdf
>
> IBC should at least TALK to OTHER "major funders of health care" - the
ones
> who pay MDs - and demand that they stop paying MDs who close birth
canals!
>
> IBC says:
>
> "Thirty million Canadians are the true owners of our health care system.
As
> individual users, they need to have the information and the knowledge to
> make informed choices about their health care." (p. 22)
>
> My sentiments EXACTLY!
>
> I'll cc IBC's Robert Cooke, Chairman and Stan Griffin President and
C.E.O.,
> via jkarapita@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
("IBC represents more than 220 member insurance
> companies. We work to improve the environment in which our members
operate
> to the ultimate benefit of insurance consumers."
> http://www.fraudcoalition.org/newsmedia_president.asp
>
> IBC and CCAIF (the Canadian Coalition Against Insurance Fraud)...
>
> NOTE: According to one IBC web page,
>
> "There are many Regional Chapters of the Canadian Coalition Against
> Insurance Fraud [CCAIF]...Each Chapter is run by committed volunteers
from
> the insurance industry (such as brokers, claims handlers, investigators)
and
> from the fire, law enforcement, HEALTH CARE consumer-related
sectors...CCAIF
> Regional Chapters exist in Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia...
>
> Accordingly, I'm copying CCAIF Quebec: Robert Tremblay,
rtremblay@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CCAIF Saskatchewan: Rod Wotherspoon rwotherspoon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCAIF
> British Columbia: Steve Reihl s.reihl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCAIF Alberta:
Louise
> Bremness lbremness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ibc.ca/ccaif_about_regional.asp
> WHY are insurance folks and DCs and MDs remaining silent about the
fraud???
>
> PREGNANT WOMEN: You can allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to
> 30% - just roll onto your side - or use kneeling or hands-and-knees or
stand
> or squat - ANYTHING but semisitting or dorsal.
>
> WARNINGS:
>
> 1. Most MD-obstetricians close the birth canal up to 30%^^^ even as they
> acknowledge that closing the birth canal FAR LESS can kill.
> 2. Some MD-obstetricians will let you "try" "alternative" delivery
positions
> BUT they will move you back to dorsal or semisitting (close your birth
canal
> up to 30%!) for the actual delivery!
>
> ^^^NOTE: If the pubic arch is narrow, semisitting and dorsal likely
close
> the birth canal MORE than 30% in some women. According to Williams
> Obstetrics [2001]:
>
> "...With increasing narrowing
> of the pubic arch, the occiput cannot emerge directly beneath the
symphysis
> pubis but is forced increasingly farther down...the ischiopubic rami. In
> extreme cases, the head must rotate around a line joining the ischial
> tuberosities [!] (p. 438)..."
>
> PROOF that MDs know they are closing birth canals:
>
> At my request, the authors of Williams Obstetrics *published*
> "my" biomechanics - but they left in their text the "dorsal widens" bald
lie
> that first called my attention to their text.
>
> Here are the biomechanics that were added at my request to Williams
> Obstetrics:
>
> "It should be noted...that the increase in the diameter of the
> pelvic outlet occurs *only* if the sacrum is allowed to rotate
> posteriorly..."
> [1993:285, *italics* in original]
>
> OBVIOUS NEGLIGENCE: The authors of Williams Obstetrics left in their
text
> (in the same paragraph!) the "dorsal widens" bald lie that first called
my
> attention to their text. For a discussion of other obvious obstetric
> negligence - and how the 30% figure was radiographically derived - see
> http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/part2ftc.html.
My thanks to Prof. Dr.
Moyses
> Paciornik, MD, Curitiba, Brazil, for calling my attention to this
> chiropractic emergency. See the Paciornik and Gastaldo letters in Birth
> [1992;19:230]
>
> FURTHER proof that MDs know they are closing birth canals:
>
> ACOG's shoulder dystocia video pur****ts to show
> MDs how to OPEN the birth canal maximally when the shoulders get stuck -
> which of course is an indirect admission that MDs are indeed routinely
> CLOSING birth canals...
>
> Unfortunately, the ACOG method for opening the birth canal (PROPER
> McRoberts) actually keeps it closed...
>
> See IMPROPER McRoberts can save tiny lives and tiny limbs...
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/1308
>
> (ACOG = Amercian College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists - the
obstetric
> trade union to which most MD-obstetricians belong.)
>
> The massive MD crime is obvious.
>
> PARDONS FOR MDs...
>
> As always, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. MDs are just
> academic prime cuts forced through this culture's most powerful mental
> meatgrinder - medical school.
>
> ONE LAST NOTE...
>
> MDs have blamed The Great Squat Robbery for their Great BIRTH Robbery,
> discussed above.
>
> See Gardosi et al.'s 1989 Lancet "randomised controlled trial of
> squatting" - where nobody squatted...
>
> Stopping MDs from closing birth canals up to 30% could help stop Western
> culture
> from robbing children of a fundamental human rest posture that just
happens
> to
> double - if it isn't robbed - as a fundamental human DELIVERY posture -
one
> that
> happens to OPEN the birth canal up to 30%...
>
> Obstetric ramifications aside, Western culture is robbing children of a
way
> to
> take a rest on their feet!
>
> See Sarah Key's huge balls (also: Kids can SQUAT motionless for
> hours)...
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2084
>
> See also: Is squatting causing a global epidemic of knee problems?
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2241
>
> (In regard to this latter post - no word back yet from WHO or Cyrus
Cooper,
> MA, DM, FRCP, FMedSci, Co-ordinator, WHO/Bone and Joint Decade
Scientific
> Group, 2000-current.)
>
> Raney, please help stop MDs from closing birth canals.
>
> Please use your media skills to stop both The Great Squat Robbery and
The
> Great Birth Robbery...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd
>
> Dr. Gastaldo
> todd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> PS Marcy Ascencio, Recruiter for Cleveland Chiro College, you are
removed
> from my list.
>
> I must say I *like* that "Adjust your thinking" quote in your sig file!
>
> (Dr. DD Palmer, Founder of chiropractic, wrote a whole book on the
subject,
> "Adjust your thinking," appropriately subtitled "The Chiropractor's
> Adjuster.")
>
> You wrote, "I do not think this type of info is directed to me."
>
> Au contraire!
>
> I directed "this type of info" to you and others at CCC because yours
were
> the only email addresses listed at the CCC website (so far as I could
tell).
>
> I directed "this type of info" to you in hopes that you would FORWARD it
to
> Cleveland Chiro College Pres. Carl Cleveland III, DC
>
> I directed "this type of info" to you in hopes that Carl would (in
effect)
> say to MDs (at the hospital with Cleveland chiros): "Adjust your
> thinking" - STOP closing birth canals - STOP gruesomely manipulating
tiny
> spines.
>
> See again Birth position at hospital with chiropractors (Carl Cleveland
III,
> DC)
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2214
>
> Marcy, DID you forward "Birth position" to Carl?
>
> Did anyone?
>
> If someone *did* forward - and Carl is taking no action - then Carl is
> ignoring a *golden* op****tunity to help save tiny lives and tiny limbs
and
> PREVENT more vertebral subluxations than DCs will ever be able to adjust
by
> hand.
>
> Marcy, I also directed "this type of info" to you because you or someone
in
> your circle of family and friends could be having a baby.
>
> If *any women you know* gets pregnant - PLEASE tell them how easy it is
for
> them to allow their birth canals to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%! But
make
> sure they read the WARNINGS above.
>
> This type of info *is* (quite legitimately) directed to you - FOR you -
for
> every woman - for the tiniest chiropractic patients.
>
> One Cleveland recruit - now a DC - Bob Dubin, DC - is ACTIVELY CENSORING
> me - to keep me from persistently reminding DCs that they have an
obvious
> obligation...
>
> See Dubin, Zaleski, please don't censor...
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2233
>
> I personally think Bob is hobnobbing - babies be damned - with
> "chiropractic" Attorney Mike Schroeder, the former Chairman of the
Calif.
> Republican Party mentioned in the just cited post.
>
> I personally think past leaders of the Calif. Chiropractic Association
made
> DEALS with political medicine - via Schroeder - and they CAN'T do
anything -
> their hands were tied long ago...
>
> I have no proof - just the "chiropractic" silence of DCs who should know
> better.
>
> Marcy, a MASSIVE MD spinal manipulation crime is occurring...
>
> It is unethical for chiropractic physicians to fail take simple action
to
> PREVENT that which they charge to treat (the two largest chiro trade
unions
> indicate that birth trauma causes vertebral subluxation).
>
> I urge you to speak to Carl personally about this.
>
> Finally Marcy...
>
> Your request to be removed from my list was so nice - so courteous - but
> your thinking is simply wrong - "this type of info" is directed to you -
for
> legitimate reasons.
>
> Again, you are off my list.
>
> Good luck in your recruiting efforts.
>
> CHIROPRACTORS: Please help stop MDs from closing birth canals: Help save
> tiny
> lives and tiny limbs and PREVENT more vertebral subluxations than DCs
will
> ever
> be able to adjust by hand.
>
> Thanks for reading, everyone,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd
>
> Dr. Gastaldo
> todd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcy Ascencio
> To: todd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:50 PM
> Subject: Please take me off your list
>
> Hello Todd- can you please take me off your list...I do not think this
type
> of info. is directed to me.
>
> Thanks-
> Marcy Ascencio
> CCC Recruiter
> ascenciom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (323) 906-2027
>
> Cleveland Chiropractic College
> 590 North Vermont Ave.
> Los Angeles, CA 90004
> www.cleveland.edu
> (800) 466-2252
>
> Adjust your thinking.
>
> >>>>END Marcy's email to Gastaldo
>
> Copied to: FRONTLINE exec. prod. David Fanning via Erin Martin Kane
> [erin_martin_kane@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and Chris Kelly [chris_kelly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (617) 300-3500...
>
> Copied also to:
>
> Suzanne Arden, suzanne.arden@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
404-522-6075.
>
> Alan Ritsko, alan_ritsko@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
617-300-4366.
>
> Jeff Wooding, jeff_wooding@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
503-977-7769.
>
> Executive producer for WGBH: Rebecca Eaton. Producer: Louis Marks both
via
> Steven Ashley, steven_ashley@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
617-300-2518.
>
> Copied also to Office of Career Services
> Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism
> via careers@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> And copied to Columbia Univ. Journalism Grads listed at...
> http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/careers/events/broadcast.asp
>
> Kristi Berner, J'01
> Writer, NY1 News
> kristi.berner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
klb59@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Amy Brown, J'02
> Associate producer, Steeplechase Films
> Amisbrown@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> La Neice Collins, J'99
> Associate producer, Primtime (ABC News)
> LaNeice.C.Collins@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Cindi Creager, J'99
> Documentary Producer, A Little Rain Productions Inc.
> cindicre@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Fahd Husain, J'02
> Associate producer, CBS News
> fahdhusain@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Jen Maxfield, J'00
> On-air re****ter, WABC (NYC)
> Jen.Maxfield@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Michael Rey J'01
> Broadcast associate, 60 Minutes II (CBS News)
> rey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Carl M. Schweitzer, J'99
> Producer, WNBC (NYC)
> carl.schweitzer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Roxanna Z Sherwood, J'02
> Associate producer, ABC News Longform Unit
> Roxanna.Z.Sherwood@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> JOURNALISTS
>
> CHIROPRACTIC BIRTH EMERGENCY!
>
> MD-obstetricians are KNOWINGLY closing birth canals. See my two simple
> PROOFS above.
>
> PLEASE use your media skills to tell women that MDs are closing birth
canals
> and how easily they can allow their birth canals to OPEN the "extra" up
to
> 30%...
>
> Make sure women are informed of the two WARNINGS above.
>
> Again, thanks for reading everyone,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Todd
>
> Dr. Gastaldo
> todd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> As indicated above, this OPEN LETTER to Raney Aronson - with a PS for
> Cleveland Chiro College Recruiter Marcy Ascension - will be instantly
> archived for global access at
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/chiro-list/message/2244.
>
> Within 24 hours, it will be in the Google groups archive at
> http://groups.google.com.
Search "FRONTLINE FIX (now one for babies,
> Raney?)"
Why do you think MID WIVES are coming BACK in vogue..BIG TIME:
Because ALOPATHS are Butchers and legalized Murderers. End of quote!
B-0b1
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