On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:27:00 -0800
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:16:21 -0800
> > "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> > > 127.0.0.1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:12:44 -0800
> > > > "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Kinsey was a fan of eugenics.
> > > > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > > > Bzzzt! Wrongo!! He mentioned eugenics MIGHT be a way for
> > > > > > > society to deal with some genetic problems, nothing more.
> > > > > > > He analyzed the other view as well. Interestiongly, his
> > > > > > > work led to our current state of the art in genetic
> > > > > > > counseling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kinsey and genetic problems? He was a fan of ***** ya dumb
> > > > > > ****. Do not try an spin Kinsey's definition of eugenics.
> > > > > ----------------------------------
> > > > > You're nothing but a ****-sucking little liar.
> > > > > He said nothing whatsoever about him being a "fan" of *****.
> > > >
> > > > He claimed ***** was common and normal.
> > > ----------------------------
> > > It *IS*. That makes him a re****ter, NOT an advocate.
> > >
> > > How do I KNOW it's normal?? My experiences with young girls
> > > (sisters) when I was a young boy, and my *** partners recounting
> > > their early ***ual exploits. Most of my life I organized group***
> > > get-togethers.
> > >
> > > There are quite literally more families in which it occurs than in
> > > which it doesn't, which matches Kinsey's questionanaire results.
> >
> > ***** isn't common or normal. If you allow two
> > closely related people to have ***, their offspring will be totally
> > ****ed & look weird.
> -----------------------------------
> No, stupid, that would be if you allow them to become pregnant and
> go to term!! Merely ****ing doesn't do anything. We can now prevent
> ANY pregnancy going to term quite simply.
The deformed children prove ***** is against nature.
> > > > > > > > He didn't come out and say kill the
> > > > > > > > fundies, but he wanted his belief system taught as the
> > > > > > > > norm.
> > > > > > > -----------------------
> > > > > > > And all liberals would agree that a good way to deal with
> > > > > > > **** like you would be to eliminate you. So what? We're a
> > > > > > > Majority, Asshole!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Hitler and a Leon Trotsky tried that it was called
> > > > > > GENOCIDE. What makes you any better?
> > > > > -------------------------------
> > > > > I hate to tell you, but fundies aren't a "KIND", a genus, so
> > > > > it cannot BE "genocide". Being an ignorant fundy is remediable
> > > > > condition.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So only people who agree with your belief are human?
> > > -------------------------
> > > Only people who acknowledge the truth and let people abide their
> > > nature are respectable humans, the rest are distorted sickos.
> >
> > Where you been at? People do what people want to do, you can't
> > change human nature. Sociology is your 'friend' if you would take
> > the time to read up on the subject. Seen a program called Taboo on
> > TV. In some places in Asia they fry up and eat bugs, roaches, in
> > some parts of Africa, raw monkey brains are considered a delicacy.
> > I certainly wouldn't eat food like that under any cir***stances but
> > to them it's NORMAL, they were raised on these foods. Basically you
> > want people to engage in repulsive behaviour that YOU SEE AS THE
> > NORM.
> --------------------------
> So many Americans fool around with their relatives that it is
> obviously not EVEN a taboo of the weird food sort, and that's a
> relatively mild one! You don't find a significant minority of
> Americans eating bugs! But you DO find them fooling around ***ually
> with their relatives!
I certainly don't fool around with mine.
> For your info, stupid, human nature is WHAT WE TEND TO DO REGARDLESS
> OF TABOO!! And that is *****!
Some bible thumpers would agree with you. The story of Adam and Eve
would mean we're all products of *****.
> > > > > > > > **If you
> > > > > > > > have the children, you have the future**. You would
> > > > > > > > kill the parents, Kinsey would indoctrinate the parents
> > > > > > > > in his belief system and have the parents teach their
> > > > > > > > children in his ways, either way you get the same
> > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > > > > We would kill or enslave only parents who could not be
> > > > > > > deprogrammed and re-educated to stop abusing their
> > > > > > > children.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wow! what generosity on your part, I guess you would throw
> > > > > > people in concentration camps for re-education. Either you
> > > > > > submit or die, nice choice. Screw your Nazi/Bolshevik
> > > > > > tactics, it's not going to work. It didn't work in Russia
> > > > > > or Germany.
> > > > > -------------------------------------
> > > > > It worked to civilize all people to the rule of law.
> > > > > That's what law is all about.
> > > > > It works just fine.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe people like me and many others would think your laws suck
> > > > and become anarchist and rebel against your laws and resort to
> > > > subterfuge against your system of unjust laws..
> > > --------------------------------------
> > > So you imagine that once people enjoy ***ual freedom they are
> > > going to rebel and end it?????? Bwahahahahahahah! Your kind are
> > > TERRIFIED of us getting to introduce others to group *** and
> > > family *** because you KNOW you'll NEVER get them back!
> >
> > It has nothing to do with ***ual freedom. Adults and teenagers have
> > ***ual freedom. Adults can have *** with other adults, teenagers can
> > have *** with other teenagers. I'm talking about little kids who are
> > prayed upon by adults
> -----------------------
> Nobody wants little kids to be preyed on by adults. But not all ***ual
> experiences of kids amount to being "preyed on". If they enjoy it,
> for example, then they are NOT being "preyed on". If they crave it
> and ask to do it some more, then obviously they are NOT being "preyed
> on'.
What about the long term affects of young ***ual encounters? The
Shrinks who hold Ph.D's in human ***uality/Psychology will tell you
that such kids have higher rates of drug abuse/anti-social/self
destructive behaviour later in life. I haven't researched this, but I
would guess they have the numbers to back up their statements and it's
been peer reviewed.
> >, this also brings me back to Asia, in Asia some
> > parents sell their 5/6 year old girls to rich Americans/Britain's
> > etc. This was a do***entary that was made. Matter of fact, they
> > caught an American doctor buying these kids to use for ***. I think
> > someone needs to put a rope around these people why buy children
> > for *** and the parents of these children.
> ---------------------------
> *IF* the children don't like it, then I agree completely! Anything
> ***ual done with children that makes them frightened or pained or
> just uncomfortable should be severely punished! ALL *** for money
> should be prosecuted anyway, it encourages ***ual abuse and makes
> *** not truly consensual, whether for adults or teens, or children.
Most five and six your olds hate to be away from their parents - End of
story. Sending this kids off with a stranger would scare the hell out of
them.
> > > > > > >The history of this
> > > > > > > procedure reveals that when confronted with that option,
> > > > > > > the vast majority yield to authority. Only a very small
> > > > > > > pathological minority require serious action. This has
> > > > > > > been found to be true of all laws that are enacted to
> > > > > > > restrict minority bigotry and abuses, from the laws on
> > > > > > > child-labor, to racial integration, to *** education, to
> > > > > > > the laws against smoking in public buildings. After the
> > > > > > > initial few violators were punished, people opposed soon
> > > > > > > gave up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree with you. You put one chain around their necks at a
> > > > > > time. Do you think you would go back to the 70's and say,
> > > > > > hey man, you can no longer smoke in bars. There would have
> > > > > > been hell to pay, but outlaw smoking in restaurants and
> > > > > > then on state property, then on federal property, so joe
> > > > > > six-pack goes along with no smoking in bars. Next it will
> > > > > > be no smoking in your cars etc and Joe six-pack will follow
> > > > > > the rules. I've got news for you elite NWO types. The
> > > > > > dollar is in a state of COLLAPSE.
> > > > > --------------
> > > > > That's because of Bush's War and the loss of Iraqi oil during
> > > > > the war, which has caused the huge jump in oil prices. It has
> > > > > nothing whatsoever to do with socialism. If anything
> > > > > socialism has SLOWED the economic collapse by imposing the
> > > > > regulations on investkment that caused the Great Depression
> > > > > after 1929!!!
> > > >
> > > > Look, I don't have a problem with Socialism. It works just fine
> > > > in many countries. America isn't such a country, the super rich
> > > > and the coperation's control this country. The problem with
> > > > America is that the RICH WANTED SLAVE LABOR so they outsource
> > > > jobs to places like China. We don't make anything in America
> > > > anymore, we EX****T our jobs and make the rich and other
> > > > countries like China wealthy. You may not believe this, but
> > > > CHINA OWNS THIS COUNTRY! Do you know how much American debt
> > > > that China is holding? China could start selling American debt
> > > > and bring this country to it's knees.
> > > -----------------------------
> > > Irrelevant. Socialism works everywhere, they are just brainwashed
> > > better here, so it will take a little longer, but we have Nature
> > > on OUR side!!
> >
> >
> > The rich that control America aren't going to allow fund
> > distribution of their wealth.
> -----------------------
> The rich are a small minority. They don't get to "allow" ****.
Sadly the rich in America can employ Blackwater security at the drop of
a hat. If you read up on Blackwater these guys are from the religious
right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA
They kill with
impunity. The U.S. government has them working in Iraq. These hired
mercenaries love killing non-Christians. They would turn gun on an
agnostic American just as fast as the would an Arab in foreign land.
> The People have any power they agree that they want.
Most people are like lambs to the slaughter who are nothing more than
lemmings.
> > > > > > When Joe six-pack can no longer afforded to feed his family
> > > > > > because of your criminals pals on wall-street and the
> > > > > > dollars falls
> > > > > > - it's not going to be like 1929, the people are going to
> > > > > > want revenge. The FED is printing money out of thin air :-)
> > > > > > which can only be good for teenagers like me.
> > > > > --------------------------
> > > > > When Joe Sixpack can find his drunken ass with both hands, let
> > > > > alone remember to vote, THEN and ONLY THEN will I be at all
> > > > > impressed!
> > > >
> > > > Uh, if voting really worked it would be illegal. I'm not old
> > > > enough to vote, but I like Obama, my mom likes Hillary for some
> > > > reason.
> > > -----------------------
> > > If it worked it would be IMPOSSIBLE to make it illegal!
> >
> >
> > I think you should go to www.youtube.com and search diebold+voting
> > if ya want a dose of reality.
> --------------------------
> I agree those machines are too subject to potential abuse.
> But it doesn't have to be so.
The game is rigged. You're under the delusion that Dems and Repugs are
some how different. Both parties are sub-servant lap dogs for the
rich/ruling elite. Sure they will squabble on things like
abortion/immigration but they all serve the rich. You may dissagree
we this, but from where I stand, America has become an oligarchy.
> > > > > The Joe Sixpacks of this world are rage-aholics who wind up in
> > > > > prison for a long time after they lose it and do some crime
> > > > > irrelevant to any political cause.
> > > >
> > > > One Joe sixpack is going to end up in prison - millions of Joe
> > > > sixpacks can cause a revolution.
> > > ----------------------
> > > Except there ain't any, and sixpacks destroy their ability to be
> > > motivated and to think straight. You can't drink solvent poisons
> > > all the time and remain politically im****tant.
> >
> > When I said "Joe Sixpack" I wasn't referring to people who drink.
> > But the "average Joe" Just like the euphemism "Sally Soccer Mom"
> > That doesn't mean the Sally plays soccer.
> --------------------------------
> The average person is a dufus who believes natwork TV, plays video
> games and wants a plasma TV, doesn't read books and doesn't vote,
> is so out of shape they'd get winded at a demonstration, is terrified
> when they see more and more bicyclists because they're afraid that
> soon they'll be forced to do it and they think they'll have a heart
> attack, and couldn't organize a revolution if their life depended
> on it.
I agree 110%
> > > > Hitler came to power in the BEER HALLS OF
> > > > GERMANY, Look at American founding fathers, these were
> > > > joe-sixpacks who had enough from elite British rule. Read about
> > > > the Romans and Mongols, hell, look at the impact Spartacus and
> > > > a few slaves had on Rome.
> > > ----------------------------------
> > > I wouldn't compare Spartacus to Hitler. He was a Socialist. Hitler
> > > was a fascist who disguised his propaganda as "socialist" because
> > > in that era in Germany that is what you said to gey people's
> > > attention. Also, Hitler lost, despite having the best military
> > > machine on earth. Spartacus lost to superior numbers.
> >
> >
> > Rome was also a fascist state.
> ----------------------------------
> Hitler was on the wrong side, Spartacus was on the right side.
Hitler did some bad things, I don't think anyone would disagree with
that. Ask yourself this, how did a homeless man from Austria rise up to
become chancellor of Germany? It was the economic situations of the
times that put Hitler in power. What ever you think about Nazis these
guys were masters of propaganda and Imagery. Seen a program on the
history channel about Hitler and they had this Jewish fellow on talking
about his experiences. I think he said he was about 16 when Hitler came
to power. He said Hitler was preaching against his own people and he
became caught up in the whole thing and started to agree with the Nazis
in this parade, he mentioned the nazi flags were everywhere, the SS were
marching by the thousands in these black uniforms, the drums etc. He
said he became '''MESMERIZED''' was the word he used.
> > > > > > > > Ask yourself why you're the minority on these issues?
> > > > > > > > What does that tell you?
> > > > > > > -----------------------------
> > > > > > > People are currently brainwashed and haven't even heard or
> > > > > > > thought of the arguments and issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How many people do you know who haven't read:
> > > > > > ***ual Behavior in the Human Male
> > > > > > ***ual Behavior in the Human Female
> > > > > -------------------------------
> > > > > Me, a few. You, nobody YOU know has even READ them!
> > > >
> > > > I've read both:
> > > -------------------
> > > Then you should know better.
> >
> > I still think the guy was a nut.
> ----------------------------
> I find that unbelievable if you have actually read them.
Riseman showed me the errors of Kinsy's ways. Have you read her
critique of Kinsy?
> > > > When it comes to ***, I've read the Marquis de Sade,
> > > > i've read everything I could get my hands on about this man/de
> > > > Sade. When it comes to human ***uality and what some people
> > > > find pleasure in, I would suggest you read 120-days of Sodom.
> > > >
> > > > Ya know Steve, I don't understand the de Sade do you? What does
> > > > this mean? "*** Without Fear And Pain, Is like Food With No
> > > > Taste" What does that mean? I don't get it, *** is pleasure,
> > > > yes?
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > No. That is a fetish, and a fetish comes from trauma.
> > > Most BDSM people will tell you they were beaten for masturbating.
> > > So now they connect the two.
> >
> > I think the guy was just evil. As for a fetish all guys have a
> > fetish of some sort. Some guys are ass men, some are tit men etc.
> > When you see an attractive woman, what do you like the best about
> > her. Ass or tits, I'm sure you like them both but you prefer one
> > over the other.
> ----------------------------
> Nope. I like all women, ****d and willing. And I like men too.
> Now if you're a hetero***ual or a homo***ual, then you're a feti****st!
All guys like women ****d and willing. My point, would you rather have
a women with big tits and flat ass or a women with a tight little
bubble but and small tits?
> > > > > They are the kind of thing that changes one toward greater
> > > > > acceptance of everyone's ***uality! If you had read them you
> > > > > wouldn't be this stupid!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I would say that at least 75% of Americans have read these
> > > > > > books, yes?
> > > > > -----------------------------------
> > > > > Over 50% of Americans haven't read a book THIS YEAR! And MOST
> > > > > of those who DID read some stupid novel that goes with a
> > > > > movie made of it!
> > > >
> > > > How do you know this? I read all the time. Maybe they read pdf
> > > > books.
> > > -----------------------------
> > > I think you need to look at some stats on effective literacy.
> > > Most people play games on their computers and email badly.
> >
> >
> > What a waste of cpu.
> >
> > > > > > > My experience is that when I explain it to people they
> > > > > > > say: "Oh, yeah well I guess THAT'S reasonable." Only a
> > > > > > > small minority of religious bigots like you persist with
> > > > > > > your pathological paranoia and ignorant backwardness.
> > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm a bigot yes, but not religious. Agnostic/Pagan/Wotan on
> > > > > > my end.
> > > > > ----------------------------
> > > > > It doesn't matter what religion you imagine you adhere to. It
> > > > > matters whether you imitate the anti***ual backwardness of
> > > > > Xtianity because you've never questioned the balderdash you
> > > > > were brainwashed with by being raised in this society.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not anti***ual. *** among consenting teenagers is okay. I'm
> > > > talking about children.
> > > ----------------------
> > > Children under 8 probably will not be interested, and they should
> > > only experience what they want to experience, but they might be
> > > curious and want to see how it all works, like watching their
> > > parents, kids want to see how it all works so that the notion of
> > > what comes later doesn't frighten them.
> > >
> > > After age 8 the pelvises of girls are developing, and many of them
> > > will be *****. That's different, they should get what they want to
> > > explore or enjoy, with the op****tunity to manipulate and stimulate
> > > older males to understand how it works personally. Kids who have
> > > become ***** are peri-pubescent, meaning "around" the onset of
> > > puberty. Many girls after this time will have developed enough
> > > pelvises for intercourse with young teen boys if they want to.
> > >
> > > Young boys often don't become ***** till age 9 or 10. They
> > > should have op****tunity to satisfy their curiosity and explore
> > > their ***uality whenever they feel the urge.
> >
> > Your logic is flawed. Most pre-teens don't engage in *** with each
> > other.
> -------------------------------
> Most want to. I know this from playing ***ually out in the woods
> of our country neighborhood with a bunch of kids younger and older
> than I was when I was 11. The kids I knew were in no way exceptional.
If you were to take 100 pre-teens and put them in a room and told them
they could do whatever they wanted, uh, they aren't going to end up
having ***.
> > > > I agree that some of the stuff is B/S. I can tell you I
> > > > WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A TEACHER like Debra Lafave. Its different
> > > > if a woman does it. She's hot, any 15-year guy who says they
> > > > wouldn't hit that is either a liar or a fag. I'd do more that
> > > > hit it, I'd eat that *****!
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yup, and yup.
> >
> > Nancy Grace had on some female psychologist discussing this story
> > about Debra Lafave, this psychologist was ranting that "This poor
> > boy has been psychologically scared for life, the damage that
> > Lafave has done is irreversible" bla, bla bla. I'm sitting there
> > with some friends and we were all thinking, is the shrink ****ing
> > nuts?!! We all wanted a teacher like Lafave.
> ----------------------
> Absolutely. That sort of covering lie is regurgitated anti***uality
> that is malignant in this society, exactly like the horror of kids
> having *** with adults if they want to. It's all phony and false.
>
> These people tell each other what they think they want to hear and
> then go molest children non-consensually in secret! This society's
> anti***uality absolutely GENERATES molestation and rape by prohibiting
> CONSENSUAL *** between kids and other kids, and between kids and
> adults.
This women they had on, I think she was a Ph.D. Why would she say this
boy was scared for life was beyond me, of course Nancy Grace was
agreeing with her 100% Perhaps a male shrink would have had a different
opinion on this issue.
> > >And it isn't different. Believe it or not, and you may
> > > not if you married a cold woman, girls get really ***** too!
> >
> > It is different. Look at the double standard applied to female
> > teachers and to that of male teachers. The Law sees a huge
> > difference.
> ------------------------------
> Sure, the law does, the culture and society does, but it's more
> phony anti***uality, telling others what you think they WANT to
> hear. The society abuses girls, whom they raise to be fragile and
> afraid, and shames and guilts them horribly to control them, and
> why? So that girls can be convinced that enjoying and pursuing
> *** is "unladylike" and makes them a "****". You can't control
> boys that way, they'll laugh at you, they KNOW that they are
> ****s!!! In this society girls are the social slave class.
Yeah, well, I think the guys got the long end of the stick on that one.
Women should be sweet, submissive and cuddly.
Let me recommend a book 'Under the ****oral Hood' and website
http://www.themansnononsenseguidetowomen.com/page5.html
Wanna hear something cool. This was do***ented by other servants. The
Marquis De Sade on his wedding night grabbed a servant girl, bent her
over the table pulled up her dress and nailed this woman right in front
of his wife and made her watch. He married this super rich Catholic
girl, back then there wasn't any such thing as a divorce (Once you're
married, you stay married) Also it was considered a shame for the upper
class to even touch a servant much-less **** one. He married for money,
just like women do.
Women can be evil vindictive ****s. This guy in my area owned clothing
store he was getting a divorce. His **** wife tried to tell her kids
to testify that their father molested them. Come to find out, it was all
B/S the the mother put the kids up to saying that stuff, I think cps
(Child protection services) also got busted in this also. The mother
made a claim and CPS coerced the kids into backing up the mother. I
think they use dolls or something like that.
> > > > > If you'd ever have actually read any Norse history you'd know
> > > > > that pagans in northern Europe celebrated their holidays with
> > > > > family *** orgies including the kids who wanted to.
> > > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > The didn't involve children.
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Sure they did, unless you don't count ten year olds, which they
> > > trsated as adults. But also while a younger child was not
> > > approached, they were allowed to participate and assuage their
> > > curiosity.
> >
> > Who told you that?
> -----------------------------------
> I spent a lot of time in the stacks in university.
> All ancient cultures called ten the magic age of majority.
> Example: The Romans became citizens at ten.
>
Cool.
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